TOWN OF SOMERS

PLANNING COMMISSION

P.O. BOX 308

SOMERS, CONNECTICUT 06071

 

PLANNING MINUTES

REGULAR MEETING

Thursday, February 10, 2005

7:00 p.m.     Town Hall

 

I.            PUBLIC HEARINGS

 

a.            Continuation of Resubdivision Application #383:  8-Lots, Stafford and Rocky Dundee Roads, CGS Development

 

Chairman Karl Walton opened the public hearing at 7:00 p.m.  Town Planner Patrice Carson read the legal notice for Items a. and b.

 

A motion was made by Brad Pellissier, seconded by Michelle Hayward and unanimously voted to continue the public hearing for CGS Development’s Resubdivision Application #383 until the next meeting, Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 7:00pm in the town hall because the applicant is reworking his plans and has requested such a continuance.  It was noted that this continuance is within the 35-day time frame.

 

b.            Continuation of Subdivision Application #382:  11-Lots, Isabella Drive Extension, Leno

 

Sandy Aeschlimann spoke to the Commission as a representative for Ric Leno, KRL Builders.  He said that they have gone through the comments from staff and have given staff revised plans addressing their issues.

 

Mrs. Carson reported that Mr. Leno met with the Conservation Commission last evening and a response from them is anticipated shortly.  The open space appraisal has come in at $135,000.00, or $1,227.27 per lot, which would be a condition of approval.

 

With respect to the newly revised plans, Mrs. Carson reported that there were three remaining housekeeping items and the assessor is working on the house numbers.

 

As a result of the first portion of the public hearing, questions had been submitted by residents of Isabella Drive and given to Stephen Mitchell of F.A. Hesketh & Associates, Inc.  The written answers from Mr. Mitchell were shared via handout with the Commission and anyone from the audience wishing to have a copy.

 

Mr. Mitchell explained that the report submitted indicated that they reviewed the DLS data and it was determined to appear accurate.  The intersection of Stebbins and Battle Street is indeed a difficult one.  CRCOG had done an impact study which resulted in several options to correct the intersection.  Mr. Mitchell spoke with staff about the possibility of correcting the right of way on Stebbins and Town Engineer Merv Strauss is continuing to look at that as well.  Mr. Mitchell considered the most important issue from the resident’s point of view to be the continuation through of Isabella Drive.

 

It is the conclusion of F.A. Hesketh & Associates, Inc. that it is a good idea to make the road connection because access through both ends of Isabella Drive is desirable for safety reasons and makes good traffic flow sense.  It would provide more effective emergency access and would allow a better flow for school busses and plows.  It is a natural step for the completion of the subdivision plan as originally proposed.  If the entire subdivision plan had been submitted all at once, it would probably have been required to be a through road.  When considering the data, it was taken into account that residents did not want a cut-through created, but in looking at the over all layout of the area it did not look like this would become an issue, as it did not appear to be an obvious traffic maneuver.

 

Since there appeared to be much concern on the part of residents, it was noted that the current cul-de-sac area could allow for the potential creation of a mini round about, which would serve as a traffic-calming technique.  This would help allay neighborhood concerns and in effect would eliminate any small potential of a possible cut through situation.

 

Mr. Pellissier asked if the creation of the mini round about would make a difficult situation for snowplows and was told that it would not.

 

Mr. Aeschlimann stated that the cul-de-sac was originally intended to be temporary and should a round about or other traffic-calming technique be constructed, the drainage potentially would become a problem unless the area were regraded.  Ponding may result in the area and would most certainly need addressing.

 

Mrs. Carson remarked that Mr. Strauss had suggested that the calming area could be inserted in the newly developed area of the road, especially if this would prevent disturbance to the current drainage.

 

Karl Walton asked if putting traffic calming of any type would make a significant amount of impact to make the work of re-working plans and the amount of effort into creating them worthwhile.  Mr. Mitchell replied that while in his opinion the potential for traffic impact is very minimal, the general belief of the residents on Isabella is that there will be problems anyway.  This would help address their concerns and take the issue of traffic impact level from little to none.

 

Mr. Leno asked if there were other traffic-calming techniques that could be used other than roundabouts.  Mr. Mitchell mentioned that speed bumps are definitely not recommended because of the resulting vehicle wear-and-tear as well as the fact that snowplows have much difficulty with them.  One idea that is possible is called “shakaning”, which are zig-zagging bump-outs in the road that create undulations and reduce speed.

 

Sean McIntyre, 21 Isabella Drive, remarked that much traffic uses Battle and Turnpike Roads and would most certainly use Isabella as a cut-through.  The intersection with Battle and Stebbins is very busy as well.

 

Bert Guerrette, 24 Isabella Drive, showed maps he had made of the various intersections in the area, and how some of the developments, which had gone from cul-de-sacs to through roads, were now being used as cut-throughs on a regular basis by many motorists.  Property values would decrease most definitely, in his opinion.  He had counted and discovered that 85 to 100 vehicles during the evening rush time had used the Stebbins intersection.  How many of these might use a through road if one was created on Isabella?  He also added that where Isabella hits Turnpike Road there would be more traffic and more potential for accidents.

 

Mr. Walton commented that the report stated that 60 vehicles were projected per day, with 10 trips per house, per day, should Isabella remain a cul-de-sac.  This is expected to decrease if Isabella became a through road because traffic would be using both ends of the road.

 

Laura Guerrette, 24 Isabella Drive, was really disappointed in the traffic study because there was no information included on Turnpike Road and its intersection with Isabella Drive.  She also felt the report contradictory in stating that there would be minimal traffic increase, but then recommending traffic-calming techniques.  She added that in attending the meetings, she has been disappointed with the way the Planning Commission members interact with people.  She feels that it is the Commission’s duty to put resident’s safety at utmost importance and they are not doing this.  She also submitted a letter for the record.

 

Denise McIntyre, 21 Isabella Drive, added her concern for the Commission’s failure to hold safety as an issue of great importance.  She stated that the neighbors concerns for safety needed to be acknowledged by Commission members.

 

Val Giupponi, 68 Green Tree Lane, questioned as to how much traffic would be coming through Isabella from Turnpike Road.  The report doesn’t include this information, and he felt this to be an oversight of the traffic engineers.  He also stated that the neighbors on Isabella had a right to know what factors would be considered when making a final decision.  They should have some sort of written notice of these factors, so residents know what the Commission is considering as items of importance.

 

Mr. Walton responded that the main concern of the Commission is to see that the Subdivision Regulations are followed.

 

Sean McIntyre, 21 Isabella Drive, stated that if the Battle Street and Stebbins Road intersection is eliminated in the future, this will create a cut-through.

 

Terri Lewis, 8 Isabella Drive, stated that speed is a concern as well and that many people don’t maintain the 30 mph current limit.  What situation will a through street create?  Might it not be potentially worse than now?

 

Jim Maloney, 9 Isabella Drive, stated that Mr. Leno took the time and effort to pay for a traffic study and the data that both engineering studies utilized was the same.  Mr. Leno’s submitted report showed that traffic impact would be negligible.

 

Mr. Walton stated that the report submitted by KRL Builders did not contain information as to what would happen if Isabella Drive was made a through road.  He neglected to have that information included in his report as requested by the Commission.  For that reason, the Town paid to have its own report conducted.

 

Susan Nowak, 210 Turnpike Road, lives directly across from Isabella Drive and five houses away from the intersection with Battle Street.  She stated that cars go by her home at 60 mph.  Her daughter had no place to ride her bike until Isabella Drive was put in and she loves it being a cul-de-sac.  She doesn’t see any benefit of making it a through street and feels that this will create the loss of a nice, quiet neighborhood.

 

Discussion followed about the potential of doing a traffic study of the movement of cars taking a right from Turnpike Road onto Battle Street, and then a right on Stebbins Road.  Mr. Mitchell said that a license plate survey could be done, however, his report did extrapolate that information to determine that through-traffic would be negligible.

 

Chairman Karl Walton stated that the public hearing could not be closed as information was still needed.  A motion was made by Brad Pellissier, seconded by Cliff Bordeaux and unanimously voted to continue the public hearing until the next meeting on Thursday, February 24, 2005 at 7:00pm in the town hall.

 

II.        CALL TO ORDER

 

Chairman Karl Walton called the regular meeting to order at 8:15 p.m.  Members Cliff Bordeaux, Michael Collins, Michelle Hayward, Brad Pellissier, and Karl Walton, and Alternates Greg Genlot and Georgeanne Kuzman were present and constituted a quorum.  Also in attendance were Town Planner, Patrice Carson and Consulting Engineer, Merv Strauss.

 

III.       OLD BUSINESS

 

a.            Discussion/Possible Decision:  Resubdivision Application #383:  8-Lots, Stafford and Rocky Dundee Roads, CGS Development

 

Action on this item was deferred since the public hearing had been continued to February 24.

 

b.            Discussion/Possible Decision:  Subdivision Application #382:  11-Lots, Isabella Drive Extension, Leno

 

Action on this item was deferred since the public hearing had been continued to February 24.

 

c.         Other

 

There was no other Old Business.

 

IV.       NEW BUSINESS

 

a.            Reappoint Open Space/Trails Subcommittee

 

A motion was made by Brad Pellissier, seconded by Cliff Bordeaux and unanimously voted to reappoint all 15 members to the Open Space/Trails Subcommittee.

 

b.         Other

 

A motion was made by Brad Pellissier, seconded by Michael Collins and unanimously voted to add the following item to New Business:  Appoint Representative to CCROG Regional Planning Commission.

 

A motion was made by Michelle Hayward, seconded by Cliff Bordeaux and unanimously voted to reappoint Michael Collins and Brad Pellissier as the regional representative and alternate to the CRCOG Regional Planning Commission for 2005, respectively.

 

V.            STAFF/COMMISSIONER REPORTS

 

Patrice Carson reported that she and Chairman Karl Walton attended the Budget Meeting held earlier in the day and she gave those in attendance a copy of the Planning Commission Budget as presented to the Board of Selectmen.

 

Mrs. Carson also stated that she is awaiting a grant announcement for the Whitaker property.  The town will apply hoping to fund some of the purchase.

 

Karl Walton reported that he attended the thank you dinner and was the sole member of the Planning Commission to do so.  He has pins for each of the Commission members and will bring them to the next meeting.

 

VI.            AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION

 

There was none.

 

VII.            CORRESPONDENCE AND BILLS

 

Bills presented were as follows:

 

APA dues            $298.00

Journal Inquirer:

            For 10/28/04 meeting 55.09

            For 12/2/04 meeting 157.40

            For hearing and meeting of 1/27/04 243.97

 

A motion was made by Brad Pellissier, seconded by Michelle Hayward and unanimously voted to pay the bills as presented.

 

Mrs. Carson reminded Commission members about a workshop to be held at Wesleyan University on March 5, 2005.  The fee would be $35.00 per person.  Anyone interested in attending should contact her.

 

VIII.            MINUTES APPROVAL

 

A motion was made by Brad Pellissier, seconded by Michelle Hayward and unanimously voted to approve the minutes of the October 28, 2004 meeting as written.

 

A motion was made by Michael Collins, seconded by Cliff Bordeaux and unanimously voted to approve the minutes of the December 2, 2004 meeting as written.

 

A motion was made by Brad Pellissier, seconded by Cliff Bordeaux and unanimously voted to approve the minutes of the January 11, 2005 meeting as written.

 

A motion was made by Cliff Bordeaux, seconded by Michelle Hayward and unanimously voted to approve the minutes of the January 27, 2005 meeting as written.

 

IX.            ADJOURNMENT

 

A motion was made by Michelle Hayward, seconded by Brad Pellissier and unanimously voted to adjourn the February 10, 2005 Planning Commission regular meeting at 8:37 p.m.

 

Respectfully submitted,

 

 

 

Brad Pellissier, Secretary                                              Robin Timmons, Recording Secretary

 

MINUTES ARE NOT OFFICIAL UNTIL APPROVAL AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.